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  • Document that MLX's mask="causal" uses lower-right alignment
  • Clarify the difference from PyTorch's default is_causal=True (upper-left)

When T_q != T_kv, this distinction matters:

  • MLX (lower-right): Last query aligns with last key
  • PyTorch default (upper-left): First query aligns with first key

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Relates to #2835

Clarify that MLX uses lower-right alignment for causal masks when
T_q != T_kv, which differs from PyTorch's default upper-left alignment.

Relates to ml-explore#2835
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I don't think PyTorch has a causal_lower_right option for SDPA and the description is not really right.

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Hey @zcbenz, it does have causal_lower_right since 2.3 and can be used with SDPA via the attn_mask parameter. I ran a script with:

from torch.nn.attention.bias import causal_lower_right
bias = causal_lower_right(T_q, T_kv)
F.scaled_dot_product_attention(q, k, v, attn_mask=bias)

to verify.

Here is the tutorial that documents this explicitly: https://docs.pytorch.org/tutorials/intermediate/scaled_dot_product_attention_tutorial.html.

I also verified masks are mathematically identical. For example with T_q=2, T_kv=4:

  MLX's mask (using q_off = max(0, kL - qL)):
        k0  k1  k2  k3
  q0 [  1   1   1   0  ]
  q1 [  1   1   1   1  ]

  PyTorch's causal_lower_right(2, 4):
        k0  k1  k2  k3
  q0 [  1   1   1   0  ]
  q1 [  1   1   1   1  ]

  PyTorch's is_causal=True (upper_left):
        k0  k1  k2  k3
  q0 [  1   0   0   0  ]
  q1 [  1   1   0   0  ]
  

The first two are identical; the third is different. This is also consistent with MLX's CUDA backend which uses cuDNN's set_causal_mask_bottom_right.

Is there something specific about the description you think is incorrect? if your concern is that causal_lower_right isn't a direct SDPA parameter (like is_causal=True) but rather a separate utility class, I could clarify the wording to use the full module path torch.nn.attention.bias.causal_lower_right.

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zcbenz commented Jan 18, 2026

Thanks for linking the docs, this is a new learn for me. On the behavior, it actually depends on whether T_q is larger or smaller than T_kv:

if (q.shape(2) > k.shape(2)) {
options.set_causal_mask(do_causal);
} else {
options.set_causal_mask_bottom_right(do_causal);
}

The mask uses lower-right alignment when T_q <= T_kv and upper-left when T_q > T_kv.
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Thanks! Fixed to describe the conditional alignment behavior 🙏

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Looks good to me. /cc @awni for a second look.

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awni commented Jan 21, 2026

The comment definitely makes sense. But I also find it a bit strange that we switch from lower right to upper left depending on if query is longer or shorter than the keys. It's quite rare for the query to be longer than the keys which is why we never really looked at it carefully.

I'm wondering if we should change the behavior in that case rather than documenting something that is a bit unusual? Or maybe it's a good idea to keep it this way?

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zcbenz commented Jan 21, 2026

I agree current behavior is unusual, and using lower right for all should be a better choice.

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