diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/cv.dart b/packages/cv/lib/cv.dart
index eb1e3aa..b03a308 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/cv.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/cv.dart
@@ -45,8 +45,9 @@ export 'src/cv_model.dart'
         cvTypeNewModel,
         cvNewModel;
 export 'src/cv_model_list.dart'
-    show CvModelListExt, cvNewModelList, cvTypeNewModelList;
-export 'src/cv_model_mixin.dart' show CvModelWriteExt, CvModelReadExt;
+    show CvModelReadListExt, cvNewModelList, cvTypeNewModelList;
+export 'src/cv_model_mixin.dart'
+    show CvModelWriteExt, CvModelReadExt, CvModelCloneExt;
 export 'src/cv_tree_path.dart'
     show
         CvTreePath,
@@ -57,7 +58,8 @@ export 'src/cv_tree_path.dart'
         CvTreePathModelListFieldExt,
         CvTreePathModelMapField;
 export 'src/list_ext.dart' show ModelRawListExt;
-export 'src/map_ext.dart' show ModelRawMapExt;
+export 'src/map_ext.dart'
+    show ModelRawMapExt, keyPartsToString, keyPartsFromString;
 export 'src/map_list_ext.dart' show ModelListExt;
 export 'src/object_ext.dart' show ModelRawObjectExt;
 export 'src/typedefs.dart'
diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model.dart b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model.dart
index 323a8a1..5379879 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model.dart
@@ -26,8 +26,8 @@ abstract class CvModelRead implements CvModelCore {
   Model toMap({List<String>? columns, bool includeMissingValue = false});
 }
 
-/// Write helper
-abstract class CvModelWrite implements CvModelCore {
+/// Write helper (implies CvModelCore)
+abstract class CvModelWrite implements CvModelRead {
   /// Map alias
   void fromMap(Map map, {List<String>? columns});
 
@@ -42,9 +42,6 @@ abstract class CvModelCore {
 
   /// CvField access
   CvField<T>? field<T extends Object?>(String name);
-
-  /// Deep CvField access
-  CvField<T>? fieldAtPath<T extends Object?>(List<Object> paths);
 }
 
 /// Modifiable map.
@@ -59,8 +56,8 @@ abstract class CvMapModel implements CvModel, Model {
   }
 }
 
-/// Model to access the data
-abstract class CvModel implements CvModelRead, CvModelWrite, CvModelCore {}
+/// Model to access the data (implies CvModelRead and CvModelCore)
+abstract class CvModel implements CvModelWrite {}
 
 /// Empty model.
 class CvModelEmpty extends CvModelBase {
diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_list.dart b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_list.dart
index 28fdddb..cbe5705 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_list.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_list.dart
@@ -3,6 +3,8 @@ import 'dart:collection';
 import 'package:cv/cv.dart';
 import 'package:cv/src/cv_model_mixin.dart';
 
+import 'cv_model.dart';
+
 /// Empty map.
 const cvEmptyMapList = <Model>[];
 
@@ -15,7 +17,7 @@ List<T> cvTypeNewModelList<T extends CvModel>(Type type, {bool lazy = true}) =>
     cvEmptyMapList.cvType(type, lazy: lazy);
 
 /// List<CvModel> convenient extensions.
-extension CvModelListExt<T extends CvModel> on List<T> {
+extension CvModelReadListExt<T extends CvModelRead> on List<T> {
   /// Convert to model list
   List<Model> toMapList(
       {List<String>? columns, bool includeMissingValue = false}) {
diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_mixin.dart b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_mixin.dart
index 1bec2c1..1f975c2 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_mixin.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/src/cv_model_mixin.dart
@@ -12,21 +12,70 @@ var debugContent = false; // devWarning(true);
 
 /// Get raw value helper for map and list.
 CvField<T>? rawGetFieldAtPath<T extends Object?>(
-    Object rawValue, List<Object> paths) {
-  if (paths.isEmpty) {
+    Object rawValue, List<Object> parts) {
+  if (parts.isEmpty) {
     if (rawValue is CvField<T>) {
       return rawValue;
     }
     return null;
   }
   if (rawValue is CvModelField) {
-    return rawValue.v?.fieldAtPath<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.v?.fieldAtPath<T>(parts);
   } else if (rawValue is CvModelListField) {
-    return rawValue.v?.fieldAtPath<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.v?.fieldAtPath<T>(parts);
   } else if (rawValue is CvModel) {
-    return rawValue.fieldAtPath<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.fieldAtPath<T>(parts);
   } else if (rawValue is List) {
-    return rawValue.fieldAtPath<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.fieldAtPath<T>(parts);
+  }
+  return null;
+}
+
+/// ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4]
+T? _rawListGetValueAtPath<T extends Object?>(
+    List<Object?> list, List<Object> parts) {
+  var path = parts.first;
+  if (path is int && path >= 0 && list.length > path) {
+    var rawValue = list[path];
+    if (rawValue != null) {
+      return rawGetValueAtPath(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
+    }
+  }
+  return null;
+}
+
+/// ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4]
+T? _rawMapGetValueAtPath<T extends Object?>(
+    Map<Object?, Object?> map, List<Object> parts) {
+  var path = parts.first;
+  var rawValue = map[path];
+  if (rawValue != null) {
+    return rawGetValueAtPath(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
+  }
+  return null;
+}
+
+/// Get a value at a given path - internal, handle CvField, CvModel (toMap), List<CvModel> (toMapList)
+/// other types are returned as is for now (this might change in the future)
+T? rawGetValueAtPath<T extends Object?>(Object rawValue, List<Object> parts) {
+  var value = (rawValue is CvField) ? rawValue.v : rawValue;
+  if (value == null) {
+    return null;
+  } else if (parts.isEmpty) {
+    if (value is CvModelRead) {
+      return value.toMap().anyAs<T?>();
+    } else if (value is List<CvModelRead>) {
+      return value.toMapList().anyAs<T?>();
+    } else if (value is CvModelField) {
+      return value.v?.toMap().anyAs<T?>();
+    }
+    return value.anyAs<T?>();
+  } else if (rawValue is List) {
+    return _rawListGetValueAtPath(rawValue, parts);
+  } else if (rawValue is Map) {
+    return _rawMapGetValueAtPath(rawValue, parts);
+  } else if (rawValue is CvModel) {
+    return rawValue.valueAtPath<T>(parts);
   }
   return null;
 }
@@ -58,19 +107,6 @@ mixin CvModelMixin implements CvModel {
     return _cvFieldMap![name]?.cast<T>();
   }
 
-  @override
-  CvField<T>? fieldAtPath<T extends Object?>(List<Object> paths) {
-    var path = paths.first;
-    if (path is String) {
-      var rawField = field<Object>(path);
-      if (rawField?.isNotNull ?? false) {
-        return rawGetFieldAtPath<T>(rawField!, paths.sublist(1));
-      }
-    }
-
-    return null;
-  }
-
   @override
   int get hashCode => fields.first.hashCode;
 
@@ -201,8 +237,10 @@ mixin CvModelMixin implements CvModel {
 
     void modelToMap(Model model, CvField field) {
       dynamic value = field.v;
-      if (value is List<CvModelCore>) {
-        value = value.map((e) => (e as CvModelRead).toMap()).toList();
+      if (value is List<CvModelRead>) {
+        value = value
+            .map((e) => e.toMap(includeMissingValue: includeMissingValue))
+            .toList();
       } else if (value is CvModelRead) {
         value = value.toMap(includeMissingValue: includeMissingValue);
       }
@@ -311,8 +349,8 @@ extension CvModelWriteExt on CvModelWrite {
   }
 }
 
-/// Public extension on CvModelRead
-extension CvModelReadExt<T extends CvModel> on T {
+/// Public extension on CvModelWrite
+extension CvModelCloneExt<T extends CvModel> on T {
   /// Copy content
   T clone() {
     var model = cvNewModel<T>();
@@ -320,3 +358,31 @@ extension CvModelReadExt<T extends CvModel> on T {
     return model;
   }
 }
+
+/// Public extension on CvModelCore
+extension CvModelReadExt on CvModelRead {
+  /// Deep CvField access
+  CvField<T>? fieldAtPath<T extends Object?>(List<Object> parts) {
+    var path = parts.first;
+    if (path is String) {
+      var rawField = field<Object>(path);
+      if (rawField?.isNotNull ?? false) {
+        return rawGetFieldAtPath<T>(rawField!, parts.sublist(1));
+      }
+    }
+    return null;
+  }
+
+  /// Get a value at a given path
+  /// fields value is returned. CvModel/List<CvModel> are converted to map/mapList.
+  T? valueAtPath<T extends Object?>(List<Object> parts) {
+    var path = parts.first;
+    if (path is String) {
+      var rawValue = field<Object>(path)?.value;
+      if (rawValue != null) {
+        return rawGetValueAtPath(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
+      }
+    }
+    return null;
+  }
+}
diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/src/list_ext.dart b/packages/cv/lib/src/list_ext.dart
index 4389185..0f23e22 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/src/list_ext.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/src/list_ext.dart
@@ -7,25 +7,27 @@ import 'map_ext.dart';
 /// Convenient extension on Model
 extension ModelRawListExt on List {
   /// ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4]
-  T? getKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(List<Object> paths) {
+  T? getKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(List<Object> parts) {
     Object? rawValue;
-    var path = paths.first;
-    if (path is int && length > path) {
-      rawValue = this[path];
-      return rawGetKeyPathValue(rawValue, paths.sublist(1));
+    var path = parts.first;
+    if (path is int && path >= 0 && path < length) {
+      rawValue = this[path] as Object?;
+      if (rawValue != null) {
+        return rawGetKeyPathValue(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
+      }
     }
 
     return null;
   }
 
   /// Handle [0, 'key2', 4, 'key4] first must be an int
-  CvField<F>? fieldAtPath<F extends Object?>(List<Object> paths) {
-    var path = paths.first;
+  CvField<F>? fieldAtPath<F extends Object?>(List<Object> parts) {
+    var path = parts.first;
     if (path is int && length > path) {
       var rawValue = this[path];
       // i.e. not null.
       if (rawValue is Object) {
-        return rawGetFieldAtPath<F>(rawValue, paths.sublist(1));
+        return rawGetFieldAtPath<F>(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
       }
     }
     return null;
diff --git a/packages/cv/lib/src/map_ext.dart b/packages/cv/lib/src/map_ext.dart
index aa77a69..7c150e2 100644
--- a/packages/cv/lib/src/map_ext.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/lib/src/map_ext.dart
@@ -2,17 +2,53 @@ import 'package:cv/cv.dart';
 import 'package:cv/cv.dart' as cvimpl;
 import 'package:cv/src/typedefs.dart';
 
-/// Get raw value helper for map and list.
-T? rawGetKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(Object? rawValue, List<Object> paths) {
-  if (paths.isEmpty) {
-    if (rawValue is T) {
-      return rawValue;
-    }
-    return null;
+String _keyPartToString(Object part) {
+  if (part is int) {
+    return part.toString();
+  }
+  assert(part is String);
+  var partText = part as String;
+
+  /// Look like an int
+  var intValue = int.tryParse(partText);
+  if (intValue != null) {
+    return '"$partText"';
+  }
+
+  return partText;
+}
+
+Object _keyPartFromString(String partText) {
+  if (partText.startsWith('"') && partText.endsWith('"')) {
+    return partText.substring(1, partText.length - 1);
+  }
+  var intValue = int.tryParse(partText);
+  if (intValue is int) {
+    return intValue;
+  }
+  return partText;
+}
+
+/// Convert ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4] to 'key1.key2.index3.key4'
+/// string representing are double quoted (i.e. "1")
+/// part with a dot are not supported yet...
+String keyPartsToString(List<Object> parts) {
+  return parts.map(_keyPartToString).join('.');
+}
+
+/// Convert 'key1.key2.index3.key4' to ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4]
+List<Object> keyPartsFromString(String key) {
+  return key.split('.').map(_keyPartFromString).toList();
+}
+
+/// Get raw value helper for map and list - internal
+T? rawGetKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(Object rawValue, List<Object> parts) {
+  if (parts.isEmpty) {
+    return rawValue.anyAs<T?>();
   } else if (rawValue is Map) {
-    return rawValue.getKeyPathValue<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.getKeyPathValue<T>(parts);
   } else if (rawValue is List) {
-    return rawValue.getKeyPathValue<T>(paths);
+    return rawValue.getKeyPathValue<T>(parts);
   }
   return null;
 }
@@ -45,16 +81,13 @@ extension ModelRawMapExt on Map {
   }
 
   /// ['key1', 'key2', index3, 'key4]
-  T? getKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(List<Object> paths) {
-    Object? rawValue;
-    var path = paths.first;
-    for (var entry in entries) {
-      if (entry.key == path) {
-        rawValue = entry.value;
-        return rawGetKeyPathValue(rawValue, paths.sublist(1));
-      }
+  T? getKeyPathValue<T extends Object?>(List<Object> parts) {
+    var path = parts.first;
+    var rawValue = this[path] as Object?;
+    if (rawValue == null) {
+      return null;
     }
-    return null;
+    return rawGetKeyPathValue(rawValue, parts.sublist(1));
   }
 
   /// Get a value expecting a given type
diff --git a/packages/cv/test/cv_model_test.dart b/packages/cv/test/cv_model_test.dart
index f549147..4a1c130 100644
--- a/packages/cv/test/cv_model_test.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/test/cv_model_test.dart
@@ -381,7 +381,7 @@ void main() {
           [IntContent()..value.v = 1]);
     });
 
-    test('fillCvModel', () {
+    test('fillCvModel/fieldAtPath/valueAtPath', () {
       expect((IntContent()..fillModel(CvFillOptions(valueStart: 0))).toMap(),
           {'value': 1});
       expect(
@@ -425,10 +425,32 @@ void main() {
       });
       expect(
           allTypes.fieldAtPath(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub'])?.v, 'text_6');
+      expect(allTypes.valueAtPath(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub']), 'text_6');
+
+      expect(allTypes.fieldAtPath(['children', 0, 'child'])?.v,
+          isA<ChildContent>());
+      expect(allTypes.valueAtPath(['children', 0, 'child']), {'sub': 'text_6'});
+
+      expect(allTypes.fieldAtPath(['modelList']), isA<CvListField>());
+      expect(allTypes.valueAtPath(['modelList']), [
+        {'field_1': 14}
+      ]);
+
+      expect(allTypes.fieldAtPath(['children']), isA<CvModelListField>());
+      expect(allTypes.valueAtPath(['children']), [
+        {
+          'child': {'sub': 'text_6'}
+        }
+      ]);
+
       expect(allTypes.fieldAtPath<int>(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub'])?.v,
           isNull);
+      expect(
+          allTypes.valueAtPath<int>(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub']), isNull);
       expect(allTypes.fieldAtPath<String>(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub'])?.v,
           'text_6');
+      expect(allTypes.valueAtPath<String>(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub']),
+          'text_6');
       expect(
           allTypes.fieldAtPath<String>(['children', 0, 'child', 'sub_no'])?.v,
           isNull);
diff --git a/packages/cv/test/map_list_ext_test.dart b/packages/cv/test/map_list_ext_test.dart
index 17ce861..8a4490b 100644
--- a/packages/cv/test/map_list_ext_test.dart
+++ b/packages/cv/test/map_list_ext_test.dart
@@ -72,5 +72,16 @@ void main() {
       expect(newSub1, isNot(same(sub1)));
       expect(oldSub1, same(sub1));
     });
+    test('keyPartsToString', () {
+      expect(keyPartsToString(['test', 1, 'sub', 2]), 'test.1.sub.2');
+      expect(keyPartsToString(['test', '1', 'sub', 2]), 'test."1".sub.2');
+    });
+    test('keyPartsFromString', () {
+      expect(keyPartsFromString('test.1.sub.2'), ['test', 1, 'sub', 2]);
+      expect(
+        keyPartsFromString('test."1".sub.2'),
+        ['test', '1', 'sub', 2],
+      );
+    });
   });
 }