Ideas for helping common lisp newbies

[fstamour]

https://lobste.rs/s/qb07ja/modern_hello_world_program_needs_more#c_ledxfb

[adlai]

I still have trouble with the significant overlap between the type system and CLOS; not lurking much in CL IRC channels these days, I have no idea whether this problem is common for completely clueless newbies (i.e. those who were not even aware there was any difference between types and classes)

[fstamour]

I still have trouble with the significant overlap between the type system and CLOS

yes, thanks, that's a common problem

It's good that you pointed it out because I very rarely seen it talked about explicitly

I very rarely open IRC, but on discord (:grimacing:), I've seen the subject pop up a few times.

• There's mix-ups between conditions and classes (understandably)
• There's mix-ups with how methods are related to classes
• There's tons of misunderstanding of the relation between generics and methods
• struct v.s. classes
  • lots of implementation-specific details makes it more confusing
• mop!

anyway, gotta go

[adlai]

I still have trouble with the significant overlap between the type system and CLOS

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I very rarely open IRC, but on discord (:grimacing:), I've seen the subject pop up a few times.[...]

The nice thing about IRC is the existing infrastructure for searching efficiently through all the old naive questions... sometimes, my progress surprises me, both ways!

Summing up a decade of arguing with myself rather than debugging compilers: as the ANSI Compliance test suites converge, these could be incorporated into Breeze, like a smoke detector for avoiding undefined behavior that might be efficient on the chosen implementation, although would definitely break in another studied alternative.

[fstamour]

Good idea: linter for UBs