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existing term 'assent process' #4
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Right, so there seem to be two kinds of processes relevant here:
The definition for 'assent process' http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ICO_0000084, and its position as a subclass of 'informed consent process' seem to indicate that it captures processes of type 2) above. The suggestion if that's the case is:
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The suggestions are very good. If we are going to have class of assent process, what's the label for the current meaning of type2) then? Any suggestions? |
I think it depends on if we define "informed consent process" in a
narrow or broad sense. Under the Common Rule, which is the basis for
requiring assent, "assent" is part of the requirements for an informed
consent process. It takes place in certain, well specified as described
in 45 CFR 46 Subparts B, C, and D. The question is should we model it as
a "subprocess", or as a separate process that has certain constraints.
…On 2/17/17 1:29 PM, Yongqun Oliver He wrote:
We need to check what we intend to mean by this term. It may not be
under 'informed consent process'.
This label appears to be a type of informed consent process where the
person is not able to consent, but the person asks another one to consent.
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'informed consent process' is currently defined as: "A planned process in which a person or their legal representative is informed about key facts about potential risks and benefits of a process and makes a documented decision as to whether the person in question will participate." Frank, do I understand correctly that only some informed consent processes involve assent, namely those where the subject is either too young or otherwise incapable of giving informed consent? If so then this is a subtype of 'informed consent process', and what differentiates it from the more general type is that it has an assenting process as one of its parts. Does this make sense? |
We just need a term like " informed consent process that involves assent",
which should be a subclass of informed consent process.
I didn't see any conflicts there.
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'informed consent process' is currently defined as: *"A planned process
in which a person or their legal representative is informed about key facts
about potential risks and benefits of a process and makes a documented
decision as to whether the person in question will participate."*
Frank, do I understand correctly that only *some* informed consent
processes involve assent, namely those where the subject is either too
young or otherwise incapable of giving informed consent? If so then this is
a subtype of 'informed consent process', and what differentiates it from
the more general type is that it has an assenting process as one of its
parts. Does this make sense?
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Jonathan,
Yes, that is correct. I refer everyone on this thread to the US Common Rule with
particular attention to Subparts B, C, and D. There are many variants to the
details of the processes involved, including who must sign, attest, and what
precisely must be documented. There are also differences in rights and
obligations of various persons laid out in these subparts. ICO does not
currently capture these nuances. The modeling question is do we represent Assent
as a subclass of Informed Consent Process or as a separate process. I tend to
agree with Asyiah and keep it simple, since the overarching goal is achieving
"legally effective informed consent" as well as adhering to principles of
beneficence, among others.
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…On 2/18/2017 11:41 AM, Jonathan Bona wrote:
'informed consent process' is currently defined as: /"A planned process in
which a person or their legal representative is informed about key facts about
potential risks and benefits of a process and makes a documented decision as
to whether the person in question will participate."/
Frank, do I understand correctly that only /some/ informed consent processes
involve assent, namely those where the subject is either too young or
otherwise incapable of giving informed consent? If so then this is a subtype
of 'informed consent process', and what differentiates it from the more
general type is that it has an assenting process as one of its parts. Does
this make sense?
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discussed on March 16, 2017. Proposal as per Asiyah, relabel "assent process" to be more clearly "informed consent process that involves assent" and has as part an assent process to be defined. |
We should make "informed consent process involving assent" a defined class. Hence we need a new class: "assent process" |
"Assent" means a child's affirmative agreement to participate in research. It is an act signifying understanding (recognizing that the minor has not reached full legal age). Mere failure to object by the child should not, absent affirmative agreement, be construed as assent. |
Based on today's ICO meeting discussion, I have changed the original 'assent process' to 'informed consent process with assenting process': then I used axioms to link these two terms: please see if these definitions are OK. Thanks. |
We need to check what we intend to mean by this term. It may not be under 'informed consent process'.
This label appears to be a type of informed consent process where the person is not able to consent, but the person asks another one to consent.
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