From f6f064175d198c9653f7249d35cf3c90e91a388e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jonathan Wright Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:21:24 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] add first alesco meeting minutes (#465) * add first alesco meeting minutes --------- Co-authored-by: benny Vasquez Co-authored-by: Cody Robertson --- docs/.vuepress/config.js | 12 ++++- docs/alesco/meeting-minutes.md | 8 +++ docs/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24.md | 63 +++++++++++++++++++++++ 3 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) create mode 100644 docs/alesco/meeting-minutes.md create mode 100644 docs/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24.md diff --git a/docs/.vuepress/config.js b/docs/.vuepress/config.js index 4da1abb27..8489c0090 100644 --- a/docs/.vuepress/config.js +++ b/docs/.vuepress/config.js @@ -88,7 +88,17 @@ module.exports = { }, ] }, - '/alesco', + { + title: "ALESCo", + path: "/alesco", + children: [ + { + title: "Meeting Minutes", + path: "/alesco/meeting-minutes" + } + ] + + }, { title: 'Contribute', children: [ diff --git a/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes.md b/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes.md new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18873776c --- /dev/null +++ b/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes.md @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +--- +Title: 'ALESCo Meeting Minutes' +--- + +Each meeting of ALESCo is public, and future meetings can be found on [events.almalinux.org](https://events.almalinux.org/category/7/) + +# ALESCo Meeting Minutes +- [July 24, 2024](/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24) diff --git a/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24.md b/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24.md new file mode 100644 index 000000000..84ea574f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/docs/alesco/meeting-minutes/2024-07-24.md @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +# ALESCo Meeting Minutes (2024-07-24) +Minutes recorded by Cody Robertson. + +Edited by Cody Robertson and Jonathan Wright for publishing. + +## Members +### Attendance +- Jonathan Wright +- Cody Robertson +- Andrew Lukoshko +- Elkhan Mammadli +- Ben Thomas +- Neal Gompa + +## Decisions Adopted +1. AlmaLinux 10's default x86_64 microarchitecture build will be v3, following RHEL. Approved building and maintaining x86_64_v2 as a separate architecture for AlmaLinux 10. + - Unanimous decision. +2. AlmaLinux 10 will have frame pointers enabled, diverging from RHEL 10 which will not have frame pointers. + - Unanimous decision +3. AlmaLinux will publish a rolling-style distro build, serving as a continuous beta release, starting with AlmaLinux 10. + - Unanimous decision + +## Minutes +- ALESCo Logistics + - Items: + - Meeting times + - Recording + - Meeting chat (public?, live?) + - Where to publish: minutes, recordings (GitHub repository, wiki, etc) + - Issue tracker (GH repo?) + - Policy/procedure documentation + - Will be discussing further via chat channels +- RHEL moving to x86_64 v3 microarchitecture in version 10 + - Some older hardware becomes unsupported + - Improved performance + - Community has voiced concerns with RHEL's decision on social media + - CERN and other labs have voiced concerns + - AlmaLinux will build a maintain a separate x86_64_v2 release. v3 will be the default. + - Package naming is TBD. RHEL is using x86_64 for v3 which is incorrect, they should use x86_64_v3 + - Will have discussions with them at FLOCK about this + - We'd like to follow RHEL's direction as our upstream, so we hope to talk with them about using the architecture tagging properly. + - AlmaLinux v2 builds will use x86_64_v2 tags + - Andrew & team working on patching various applications in the RPM stack to support this within AlmaLinux + - Can potentially PR this work upstream to help convince RHEL to use the proper _v3 naming within RHEL 10 + - Enable frame pointers in AlmaLinux 10 builds + - Most competing distros are enabling them now + - Negligible performance impact + - Loss of a register affects x86 32bit, legacy hardware take a noticeable hit + - Allows continuous real-time profiling for "cheap" + - Fedora enabled them several versions ago with no complaints after enablement + - Especially useful in HPC + - CentOS Hyperscale SIG considering enabling it by default + - Do we offer non-frame pointer builds + - Rolling release build for AlmaLinux 10 + - Serves as continous beta release + - Will run full composes at least twice-yearly + - Package updates will be a constant flow + - Separate mirror source/repo on infra side + - We're doing this already for AlmaLinux 10 development, just not currently publishing the resulting builds in a repoitory/as an OS + - Not a replacement for point releases + - We have to be mindful of security releases/patches from upstream + - OpenQA to test all of the builds + - Build in-line with point release (ex, frame pointers enabled)