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<p class='main'><span class="rel">Related:</span> <a href="diary.htm">diary</a><br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-30-2012:</span> The <a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="note.htm">Note</a> Compact<br/>
<br/>
Become <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>er when you invest <a href="work.htm">work</a>, <a href="land.htm">land</a> or capital.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t is the natural return from those investments.<br/>
<br/>
Become <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>er if you <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> when buying surplus.<br/>
<br/>
You must <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s to <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>e that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
Investments become <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ance; debt is never necessary.<br/>
<br/>
Vertical Integration, Horizontal Diversity.<br/>
<br/>
Subgroups secede when threatened by majority tyranny.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-26-2012:</span> <br/>
<br/>
wayne, steve wrote:<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> Do you suggest that with a vertically integrated</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> permaculture <a href="mosaic.htm">mosaic</a> we do not need <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y, or that</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> the only time <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y is <a href="use.htm">use</a>d is when interfacing with</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> the external <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy?</span><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Yes, the need for <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y within the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> is reduced in<br/>
two ways:<br/>
<br/>
1.)</small> <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ts are not bought or sold <small>(except surplus)</small><br/>
because they are already the <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty of the people<br/>
who will <a href="use.htm">use</a> them.<br/>
<br/>
2.)</small> Wages are not paid in the <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>itional sense<br/>
because we barter <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>s before <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion begins.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
But people will need plain-old-<a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y for as long as<br/>
the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ts they want are not yet fully Vertically<br/>
Integrated within the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>.<br/>
<br/>
I think the most common transition will be for<br/>
subgroups to initially purchase off-site <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ts in<br/>
bulk to "tide them over" while also slowly investing<br/>
in the MoP for that <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
For example, if you like hamburgers, then you will<br/>
group-up with others to buy beef-calves and alfalfa<br/>
seed and salt-licks and even finally salt mines; but<br/>
until those things can be aquired and fully<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tive, you might also want to buy cases of frozen<br/>
hamburgers from some off-site farmer or even just a<br/>
regular grocery <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>e or wherever.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> You mentioned <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>ding our <a href="own.htm">own</a> ISP... we need some</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> entry point into that <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> which is likely to be</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> a utility service provided by the extant capitalist</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> system. But where does the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y for interfacing in</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> these ways come from?</span><br/>
<br/>
In nearly every case, for nearly every <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t, The<br/>
<a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y will mostly come from middle-income consumers<br/>
who can pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for that <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t in bulk and also<br/>
toward buying the MoP to wean ourselves off of the<br/>
Capitalist providers.<br/>
<br/>
In the example of an ISP, we organize neighborhoods of<br/>
consumers to pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for the equipment needed to<br/>
connect their houses to each other, and then subscribe<br/>
to the ISP through a "business grade" connection that<br/>
is split among them.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> What about other vital services and <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts? Such</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> as those related to personal transportation;</span><br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> What about healthcare? It is fine to</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> suggest that someone with a degree in medicine</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> -should- provide those services for the <a href="promis.htm">promis</a>e of</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> future repayment from patients, yet this kind of</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="promis.htm">promis</a>e does not provide any financial liability</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> buffer against legal action involved in malpractice</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> disputes.</span><br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> Even IF you manage to construct an</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> effective legal barrier against such actions, what</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> recourse is there for those who feel they have been</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> wronged by those providing healthcare? Does the</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> legal barrier allow any person claiming to have</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> medical <a href="know.htm">know</a>ledge or experience practice without</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> qualification? Don't get me wrong; I am all about</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="own.htm">own</a>ing the means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion. I am <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ently</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> involved in an ongoing discussion with the <a href="own.htm">own</a>er of</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> the company I <a href="work.htm">work</a> for, trying to convince him to</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> turn the company into a democratic, <a href="work.htm">work</a>er-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ed</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> cooperative. I also donate time and <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> volunteering at my local independent media center:</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> by the end of the summer, we hope to be hosting our</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="own.htm">own</a> Diaspora server and community wiki.</span><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-23-2012:</span> <br/>
Rohan Dixit wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> What's the first <small>(smallest)</small> step</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> we can take in that direction?</span><br/>
<br/>
Here are my rough thoughts:<br/>
<br/>
0. Pre-<a href="boot.htm">Boot</a> Stage:<br/>
<br/>
Determine minimum size and complexity needed for basic<br/>
food and shelter of occupants.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="ide.htm">Ide</a>ntify symbiotic plant, animal and fungus species<br/>
needed for raw materials of food, <a href="soap.htm">soap</a>, paper, cloth,<br/>
fuel, etc.<br/>
<br/>
Find affordable farm<a href="land.htm">land</a>, hopefully with naturally<br/>
sufficient water or humidity.<br/>
<br/>
Research how to register as a non-<a href="profit.htm">profit</a> entity.<br/>
<br/>
Crowd-<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a> the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y needed to buy the <a href="land.htm">land</a>,<br/>
water-rights, flora/fauna/fungi, tools, pipes,<br/>
etc. needed to begin <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
Also Crowd-<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a> the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y needed to buy tents or<br/>
trailers, bulk food, paper, <a href="use.htm">use</a>d clothes, etc. needed<br/>
to sustain the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers during the Growth Stage.<br/>
<br/>
Crowd-<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a>ers receive <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a><br/>
with the natural ROI being a % of the outputs of that<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers also receive <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a><br/>
with the natural ROI being a % of the outputs of that<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers are paid initially with a "Basic Outcome"<br/>
consisting of bare essentials such as tent or trailer<br/>
housing and cafeteria-style meals.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
1. <a href="boot.htm">Boot</a> Stage:<br/>
<br/>
Purchase the assets needed to begin.<br/>
<br/>
'Hire' the <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers by having them sign contracts to<br/>
<a href="work.htm">work</a> a certain number of hours per week or <small>(better)</small>,<br/>
to achieve certain goals within some time-frame.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers receive more or less <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership depending<br/>
upon how much they commit to achieve as measured by<br/>
others within the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> that need those services.<br/>
<br/>
All inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s <small>(whether Crowd-<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a>ers <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing offsite or<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing onsite)</small> must continue to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> the<br/>
re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion or slowly lose <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership<br/>
as their portion of the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> is sold to cover those<br/>
<a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers usually <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s with labor.<br/>
<br/>
Crowd-<a href="fund.htm">Fund</a>ers usually <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s with <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y<br/>
<a href="use.htm">use</a>d to buy assets that we are not yet able to<br/>
generate onsite <small>(because we are not yet fully<br/>
Vertically Integrated)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
2. Growth Stage:<br/>
<br/>
As the agriculture begins to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e, most of the<br/>
output is not sold, but is already the <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty of<br/>
each inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a> according to the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> the did commit.<br/>
<br/>
Most inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s will eventually have surplus<br/>
<small>(especially after a few years of growth and natural<br/>
regeneration of species)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
Each inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a> can choose to do whatever they like with<br/>
their <a href="own.htm">own</a> surplus except for one specific constraint:<br/>
"<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> must be treated as <a href="pay.htm">Pay</a>er Investment".<br/>
<br/>
For example, say you have 100 extra lbs of Olives.<br/>
You can turn these into oil and try to burn them in a<br/>
diesel engine, or you can offer them as a sacrifice to<br/>
your God, or you can sell them to your neighbor *but*<br/>
if you sell them, you must treat any a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> above<br/>
<a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s as though the buyer had made an investment in<br/>
the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>.<br/>
<br/>
Separating <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> from Wages is a bit complicated, so<br/>
I will try talk-out how that <a href="work.htm">work</a>s:<br/>
<br/>
If you do the <a href="work.htm">work</a> of selling the Olives, then you can<br/>
claim that everything the buyer paid beyond any other<br/>
<a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s you may have in<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ed is your Wages for doing<br/>
that <a href="work.htm">work</a>.<br/>
<br/>
That is completely fine, even if it seems you are<br/>
overpaying yourself.<br/>
<br/>
But if you hire someone to sell the Olives, or <small>(and<br/>
this next case will be the most common)</small> if you just<br/>
let the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>ehouse sell any of your surplus for<br/>
you, then those <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers will be paid wages that are<br/>
easily separated from <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>s, and so all you will<br/>
receive are all <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s needed to cover that<br/>
over<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion - so you will "break even" with regards<br/>
to any surplus.<br/>
<br/>
This will cause most people to <a href="own.htm">own</a> only approximately<br/>
as much in each <a href="part.htm">part</a> of the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> as they need the<br/>
outputs - though most people will likely want to <a href="own.htm">own</a><br/>
just a little bit more as a sort of '<a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ance'<br/>
against the possibility lean years of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion<br/>
caused by drought or pestilence, etc.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-23-2012:</span> <br/>
We, the people, <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for all <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion in the end, but we <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> *late*, and so do not <a href="own.htm">own</a> the Means of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion, and so must continually beg those <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers to do what we wish - even though they cannot comply because they seek to keep <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> which requires we be subjugated.<br/>
<br/>
Why will we not organize for our mutual benefit?<br/>
<br/>
We already <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all the initial and re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s *and* we even <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> more when we <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>, and yet we still have no control.<br/>
<br/>
If we, as consumers, would pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts and <a href="use.htm">use</a> that <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y to buy and <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> farms and factories and <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s for the purpose of accepting the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t as the return on investment, then we would finally have the control we seek, and <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> would be undefined <small>(since the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t is not sold when it is already <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed by those who will consume it)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
Come on, let's stop begging the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers and group together to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the <a href="land.htm">land</a> and water and plants and animals we need to <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>e without <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing tribute to the billionaire feudalists.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Mark Holmquist wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">></span><br/>
<span class="quot">> Digital <a href="free.htm">free</a>dom has to do with the <a href="free.htm">free</a>dom to <a href="use.htm">use</a></span><br/>
<span class="quot">> your <a href="own.htm">own</a> tools, things you <a href="own.htm">own</a>, any way you'd like.</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, we tend to focus on individual <a href="user.htm">User</a> <a href="free.htm">Free</a>dom and<br/>
seem to assume that is all we can do.<br/>
<br/>
But the next stage in <a href="user.htm">User</a> <a href="free.htm">Free</a>dom will be to organize<br/>
<span class="bullet">*</span>groups* of <a href="user.htm">User</a>s to buy and <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the Means of every<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t we <a href="use.htm">use</a>.<br/>
<br/>
For example, we do not <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the ISPs and cell-phone<br/>
<a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s we <a href="use.htm">use</a>, and so must accept the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers<br/>
arbitrarily shutting ports and sniffing <a href="pack.htm">pack</a>ets and<br/>
overcharging and generally dominating us because we<br/>
do not <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> those physical assets.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> What you're discussing here isn't about individual</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="free.htm">free</a>doms</span><br/>
<br/>
You are right.<br/>
<br/>
I am talking about *group* <a href="free.htm">free</a>doms, which are much<br/>
more complicated, but worth the extra complexity<br/>
because of the control and effeciency they offer.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> it's about changing the <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic system</span><br/>
<br/>
Well, it is about creating <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> corporations that are<br/>
structured in this way, not about begging politicians<br/>
to do anything <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a>ly.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> We would technically <a href="own.htm">own</a> the MOP, but we wouldn't</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> then be <a href="free.htm">free</a> to go in and tinker</span><br/>
<br/>
We will tinker in *groups*.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> going in and accidentally breaking the</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> dairy <a href="mac.htm">mac</a>hines would be suboptimal.</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, but each group could <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e that choice.<br/>
<br/>
If a group wanted to tinker with the <a href="mac.htm">mac</a>hines they<br/>
<a href="own.htm">own</a>, they could do so.<br/>
<br/>
Individuals within such a group might dis<a href="agree.htm">agree</a>, and so<br/>
should voice their opinion <small>(vote)</small>. This is a<br/>
complicated matter, but is no <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>e<a href="rent.htm">rent</a> from any<br/>
corporation that is <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ed by many individuals.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> There would almost certainly be laws, or at least</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> rules, to prevent such things.</span><br/>
<br/>
Yes, each group would have their <a href="own.htm">own</a> specific rules<br/>
that they decide upon as a group.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> I mean, there might be some merit to these <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>as,</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> but it's not something that the FSF necessarily</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> wants to promote. As far as I can tell, the FSF</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> tries to reach out to companies, saying that <a href="free.htm">free</a></span><br/>
<span class="quot">> software is compatible with viable business <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>els</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> that <a href="work.htm">work</a> in a capitalist society.</span><br/>
<br/>
Organizing <a href="user.htm">User</a>s to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the MOP in groups will<br/>
solve most of the problems that the FSF complains<br/>
about with regards to harware, such as "Defective By<br/>
Design", complaints about the iPhone, Tivoization,<br/>
etc. because we, as groups, will then <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> factories<br/>
where we can manufacture <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware that respects our<br/>
<a href="free.htm">free</a>dom.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> And in general, as <a href="free.htm">free</a> software advocates, it's a</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> lot <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>er for us to fight for individual <a href="free.htm">free</a>doms</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> *and* massive social change at the same time</span><br/>
<br/>
We can no longer stay in our caves while hoping the<br/>
corporations will <a href="start.htm">start</a> playing nicely of their <a href="own.htm">own</a><br/>
volition.<br/>
<br/>
Regular corporations *cannot* do what the <a href="user.htm">User</a>s<br/>
expect, because to do so would remove the barriers<br/>
that keep <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>; and since the inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s in<br/>
regular corporations expect that <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence <small>(called<br/>
<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>)</small> as the return for their investments, regular<br/>
corporations are forever pitted against the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s they<br/>
pretend to want to serve.<br/>
<br/>
But when the <a href="user.htm">User</a>s invest to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> corporations with<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t as their ROI, then there is no conflict<br/>
between <a href="user.htm">User</a>s and <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers - since they are one in the<br/>
same, and there is no <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> <small>(except when selling<br/>
surplus)</small>, and so <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e and <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> are <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>ntical since<br/>
the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t is not even sold when it is already in the<br/>
hands of those who need it.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Sincerely,<br/>
Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://SocialSufficiencyCoalition.BlogSpot.com">http://SocialSufficiencyCoalition.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-22-2012:</span> <br/>
<br/>
We must expand our sense of responsibility beyond our<br/>
personal <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>set to include <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in all the<br/>
Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion required for all of our physical<br/>
needs.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We will buy <a href="land.htm">land</a> and tools and plants and animals and<br/>
water rights to begin a Vertically Integrated<br/>
Permaculture <a href="mosaic.htm">Mosaic</a>.<br/>
<br/>
We will attract middle-income consumers to pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for<br/>
organic food <small>(both groceries and restaurant)</small> and many<br/>
other <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts, such as ISP services that we will<br/>
create within the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>. This is similar to<br/>
crowd-<a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ing.<br/>
<br/>
Those consumers will become <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers of the<br/>
<a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>, and so will <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all the <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion<br/>
<small>(only for the specific <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts they want)</small>, but since<br/>
they will not buy the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t from us <small>(they each <a href="own.htm">own</a><br/>
their % already)</small>, they will not be able to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a><br/>
or sales-Tax on that missing transaction.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We will attract <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers to commit to labor in the<br/>
future <small>(<a href="promis.htm">promis</a>e to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> with <a href="work.htm">work</a>)</small> in return for their<br/>
receiving <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a> in the MoP for<br/>
which they want the outputs <small>(not necessarily for the<br/>
MoP for which they have <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>s)</small>.<br/>
<br/>
Those <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers are also consumers, and will become <a href="real.htm">real</a><br/>
<a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers of the <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>, and so will <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all the <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>s<br/>
of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion <small>(only for the specific <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts they<br/>
want)</small>, but since they will not buy the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t from us<br/>
<small>(they each <a href="own.htm">own</a> their % already)</small>, they will not be able<br/>
to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> or sales-Tax on that missing<br/>
transaction.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We will not <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> the consumers or the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers with <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y.<br/>
<br/>
We will not <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> the consumers or the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers with <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t.<br/>
<br/>
These inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s receive <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t as a "side-effect" of<br/>
their <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ing the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion.<br/>
<br/>
For example, the <a href="own.htm">own</a>er of a milk-cow does not *buy*<br/>
the milk from himself, he <a href="own.htm">own</a>s it already.<br/>
<br/>
Similarly, the <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers of a milk dairy do not *buy*<br/>
the milk from themselves, they each <a href="own.htm">own</a> their % already.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We can accomplish this without begging politicians.<br/>
<br/>
We can organized in small groups that buy and <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a><br/>
the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion very much like any business or<br/>
organization, but with the following Terms of<br/>
Operation as self-enforced constraints:<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
1.)</small> <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t is the Inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>'s Return. This means<br/>
Consumers will micro-invest by pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing for results,<br/>
become <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers of that business and receive the<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t itself as a side-effect of that <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership<br/>
<br/>
2.)</small> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is the <a href="pay.htm">Pay</a>er's Investment. This means<br/>
late-coming Consumers will overpay for <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t as<br/>
usual, but we will treat <small>(at least some % of)</small> that<br/>
value as though they had invested as described in #1.<br/>
<br/>
3.)</small> Investments are commitments of Future Labor and<br/>
Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es. This means we will issue a<br/>
deposit-based, <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ing <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency <a href="back.htm">back</a>ed by both the<br/>
<a href="land.htm">land</a> and tools and other inputs, plus the <a href="work.htm">work</a> needed<br/>
to transform those assets into a <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t.<br/>
<br/>
These adjustments allow us to move away from excessive<br/>
token-<a href="pass.htm">pass</a>ing and toward <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tivity that can safely<br/>
reach stasis - eliminating the perceived need for<br/>
infinite growth.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Please ask questions and help me fix what is wrong<br/>
with the <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Sincerely, Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com">http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-21-2012:</span> <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ing on: <a href="iota.htm">IOTA</a>, <a href="vipm.htm">VIPM</a>, <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a>, <a href="imput.htm">Imput</a>, <a href="_thesis.htm">_Thesis</a>, <a href="gnurho.htm">GNUrho</a>, <a href="_faq.htm">_FAQ</a>, <a href="agnu.htm">AGNU</a>, <a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-20-2012:</span> Trying to get video-capture going for the <a href="web.htm">web</a><a href="cam.htm">cam</a> on my Acer One<br/>
<span class="shell">$ sudo add<a href="user.htm">user</a> <a href="user.htm">user</a> video</span><br/>
<span class="shell">$ mplayer <a class="ext" href="tv://">tv://</a> -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0</span><br/>
cinellera<br/>
kino<br/>
dvgrab<br/>
vlc<br/>
jahshaka<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-15-2012:</span> Looking for <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>as for an <a href="imput.htm">Imput</a>ed <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion icon that highlights the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er as consumer. I must avoid the sickle/hammer symbology <small>(☭)</small> which is often interpreted as Soviet <small>(Council)</small> operated.<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-13-2012:</span> <br/>
Horizontally Diverse enough to house and feed the <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers, and Vertically Integrated enough to avoid external <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>ing.<br/>
<br/>
1.)</small> Middle-income consumers pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for organic goods. That <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y to buy some <a href="land.htm">land</a> and tools and plants and animals.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers are also inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s when they commit to <a href="work.htm">work</a> in the future.<br/>
<br/>
Both types of inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s receive <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a> for the purpose of receiving the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>.<br/>
<br/>
The <a href="iota.htm">IOTA</a> <small>(Intra-<a href="own.htm">Own</a>er <a href="trad.htm">Trad</a>e <a href="agree.htm">Agree</a>ment)</small> is a way to track the 2 commitment types <small>(whether Capital or Labor)</small>, so we can account for who has <a href="pic.htm">pic</a>ked-up their milk <small>(for example)</small>, so they cannot cheat.<br/>
<br/>
The <a href="iota.htm">IOTA</a> is more like a <a href="title.htm">Title</a> of <a href="insur.htm">Insur</a>ance, but can also be <a href="use.htm">use</a>d as a <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-08-2012:</span> Permaculture <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a><br/>
Mark Janssen-Rosenbluth wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> happy gift <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy</span><br/>
<br/>
I am not talking about gifts.<br/>
<br/>
What I outline accounts for all <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty and all <a href="work.htm">work</a>.<br/>
<br/>
Nobody can be a <a href="free.htm">free</a>loader in the system I describe.<br/>
<br/>
If you do not continuously <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> the re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s with <a href="land.htm">Land</a>, Capital<br/>
or Labor <small>(and in the end only Labor will be needed, as we will have<br/>
purchased all the <a href="land.htm">Land</a> and Capital away from the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent system)</small>, then<br/>
you will not receive the goods and services you need, and so you will<br/>
likely die.<br/>
<br/>
I do not believe a gift <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy can scale to overgrow the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent system.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-08-2012:</span> Permaculture <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a><br/>
Mark Roest wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> community cooperatives, labor unions</span><br/>
<br/>
In both cases, the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t must be sold and the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers are paid with<br/>
Federal Reserve <a href="note.htm">Note</a>s.<br/>
<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ts are not sold <small>(except surplus*)</small> when the consumers <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the<br/>
Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion, because the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t is already in the hands of<br/>
those who will consume it - even before it is <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ed.<br/>
<br/>
When <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers commit to swap <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>s before <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion begins, then<br/>
there is no need to <a href="use.htm">use</a> external tokens <small>(such as Federal Reserve<br/>
<a href="note.htm">Note</a>s)</small> or internal tokens <small>(such as some community <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency)</small> to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> the<br/>
<a href="work.htm">work</a>ers.<br/>
<br/>
Combining both of these means both of those transactions<br/>
<small>(buying/selling goods and <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing/receiving wages)</small> are eliminated, and<br/>
so taxes and <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> are also eliminated.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<small>(*)</small> We should sell surplus to those with insufficient <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership, and<br/>
should even charge <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> against them <small>(let the market set <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e)</small>, but<br/>
must treat those overpayments as an investment from that consumer in<br/>
the growth of the <a href="arena.htm">arena</a>, so that everyone incrementally becomes<br/>
<a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers in the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts they need, and<br/>
so can also have the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ance that <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty provides as future<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-08-2012:</span> Permaculture <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a><br/>
<br/>
Devin Balkind wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> One opportunity where we could <a href="collab.htm">collab</a>orate is through Occupy Farms</span><br/>
<br/>
I am very happy <a class="ext" href="http://OccupyFarms.nycga.net">http://OccupyFarms.nycga.net</a> has begun, but see it will have <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>iculty scaling in it's <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent form.<br/>
<br/>
I wish I could just say "Fantastic! Let's go!", but the application I read gives me little hope of <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ing my family's wellbeing.<br/>
<br/>
I want to just signup and move there right now, but can see it is a very fragile situation that will likely have trouble scaling to any significant degree, and even if it were to scale, there does not seem to be a written strategy <small>(unless there is a document I did not find)</small> for <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ing power is not concentrated into the hands of the originators, leaving the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers with nothing.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<span class="quot">> What do you want to do?</span><br/>
<br/>
I want to <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d an alternate situation that can grow to cover the entire Earth.<br/>
<br/>
I want to <a href="work.htm">work</a> with people like you to do almost the same as what you are doing, but before I can put my hands in the dirt <small>(and that is <a href="real.htm">real</a>ly where I want them)</small>, I must have a comprehensive plan to assure the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers gain the security that only <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership can offer.<br/>
<br/>
Every <a href="work.htm">work</a>er <small>(and all of that person's "dependents")</small> needs food and housing and basic health-care and clothing and basic utilities, etc.<br/>
<br/>
Of course we don't want to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers with Federal Reserve <a href="note.htm">Note</a>s, but <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing them with goods and services is not quite right either.<br/>
<br/>
The <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers must become *<a href="real.htm">real</a>* <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers in the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for each of the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts they need <small>(this is consumer-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ed, not <a href="work.htm">work</a>er-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ed)</small>, and must also commit to <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e labor with others within the "<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion <a href="arena.htm">Arena</a>" if they intend to benefit from specialization.<br/>
<br/>
This means we must have a minimum a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of "Horizontal Diversity" to meet all the variety of <small>(at least basic)</small> needs for every <a href="work.htm">work</a>er.<br/>
<br/>
For example, we need to <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d a dentist office and buy/<a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d the tools for simple dental procedures. We must attract or train someone that can operate those tools, and who is willing to commit to do that <a href="work.htm">work</a> for the '<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>' of gaining <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership in the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for his housing, food, clothing, transportation, sanitation, etc. combined with commitments of others to operate those MoP for his benefit in return for his fixing their teeth.<br/>
<br/>
We must also <a href="work.htm">work</a> toward "Vertical Integration" to move away from the need to <a href="use.htm">use</a> external tokens.<br/>
For example, we might buy chicken-feed at first, but must grow those plants to avoid the need to buy.<br/>
Vertical Integration is a very long-term goal, and we won't <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> mines or factories right away, but will just buy shovels from China at first.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<a href="part.htm">Part</a> of the initial <a href="start.htm">start</a>up <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s can be collected from middle-income consumers who are willing to pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for organic goods.<br/>
<br/>
Each person would invest just enough <small>(either <a href="land.htm">Land</a>, Capital or Labor)</small> to cover the predicted <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion for the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t they each intend to <a href="use.htm">use</a>.<br/>
<br/>
Each of these inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>s would still need to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> their % of the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s as usual, but since they would accept the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t itself as the return for that risk, there would be sale, and so <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> would not exist at all.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Here is the rough business <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>el:<br/>
----<br/>
<br/>
1.)</small> <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t is the Inve<a href="stor.htm">stor</a>'s Return. This means Consumers will micro-invest by pre-<a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing for results, become <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers of that business and receive the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t itself as a side-effect of that <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership.<br/>
<br/>
2.)</small> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is the <a href="pay.htm">Pay</a>er's Investment. This means late-coming Consumers will overpay for <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t as usual, but we will treat <small>(at least some % of)</small> that value as though they had invested as described in #1.<br/>
<br/>
3.)</small> Investments are commitments of Future Labor and Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es. This means we will issue a deposit-based, *<a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ing* <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency <a href="back.htm">back</a>ed by both the <a href="land.htm">land</a> and tools and other inputs, plus the <a href="work.htm">work</a> needed to transform those assets into a <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t.<br/>
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I am cleaning-up the "<a href="insur.htm">insur</a>ing <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency" document mentioned in #3, and will post that later.<br/>
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Sincerely,<br/>
Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com">http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jun-07-2012:</span> Posted to Fakebook:<br/>
The robots are coming, The robots are coming!<br/>
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The <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e of Nevada began issuing licenses for driverless vehicles last month.<br/>
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Fully robotic dairies have been operational for a few years now.<br/>
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Robots are <a href="pic.htm">pic</a>king nuts and berries and some other <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e.<br/>
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Foxconn <small>(<a href="mak.htm">mak</a>ers of iPad, etc.)</small> will be replacing many <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers with 1 Million robots in a few years.<br/>
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Most of the <a href="work.htm">work</a> in these simple industries can already be accomplished without human interaction.<br/>
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So <a href="back.htm">back</a> to the question of *WHO* should <a href="own.htm">own</a> the Means of <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion...<br/>
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If Willie Nelson <small>(and Karl Marx, and anyone wishing for a <a href="work.htm">Work</a>er-<a href="own.htm">Own</a>ed society)</small> is right, then what in the world will we do when it takes only a few people to supply 1 million loaves of bread?<br/>
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Are we sure the consumers must not have any <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership?<br/>
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If the consumers were to <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a> the farms and factories, and if they were to accept the <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t as the ROI, then there would be no sale, and so <a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e and <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a> would be the same, and <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> would be *undefined*.<br/>
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Why are we so frightened of <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ership for our mutual benefit?<br/>
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As consumers, we already <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion anyway ... AND we <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>. So clearly we could afford to be the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers.<br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_driverless_car">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_driverless_car</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jun-07-2012:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://AngelicOrganics.org">AngelicOrganics.org</a><br/>
<hr/><span class="date">Jun-07-2012:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://YoungFarmers.org/farm-hack">YoungFarmers.org/farm-hack</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jun-07-2012:</span> <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ing on: <a href="imput.htm">Imput</a>, <a href="_thesis.htm">_Thesis</a>, <a href="gnurho.htm">GNUrho</a>, <a href="_faq.htm">_FAQ</a>, <a href="agnu.htm">AGNU</a>, <a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
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