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<p class='main'><span class="h4">====THIS <a href="file.htm">FILE</a> IS ARCHIVAL. See '<a href="diary.htm">Diary</a>' for <a href="new.htm">new</a>est entries</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-31-2007:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://MySpace.com/loanfunder">MySpace.com/loanfunder</a> in response to <a class="ext" href="http://YouTube.com/v/1-eyuFBrWHs&rel=0">YouTube.com/v/1-eyuFBrWHs&rel=0</a> <span class="quot">"'Is this <a href="real.htm">real</a>ly happening? - WAKE UP AND DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!'"</span><br/>
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Do you <a href="real.htm">real</a>ize <a class="ext" href="http://MySpace.com">MySpace.com</a> is <a href="own.htm">OWN</a>ed by Rupert Murdoch of "<a href="new.htm">New</a>s Corporation" which is the <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>rietor of the FOX <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>? By utilizing THEIR physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es <small>(the <a href="land.htm">land</a>, <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>dings, <a href="compu.htm">compu</a>ters, electricity and human re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es <small>(<a href="employ.htm">employ</a>ees)</small>)</small> our mere activity here on this <a href="web.htm">web</a>site supports that warring <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>aganda because of the <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> that flows to the wrong hands.<br/>
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If you say "But what can we do?" my answer is "We <small>(the consumers)</small> must organize and <a href="own.htm">OWN</a> some physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es ourselves that are constrained by the rule that all <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> be treated as consumer investment so that control remains in our hands."<br/>
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Please read my blog entry "The Problem With <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>" for <small>(what I think is)</small> a clear explanation of the course we can take and then tell or ask me your concerns or questions.<br/>
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Thanks for your time and please do not give up - these <small>(probably strange sounding)</small> concepts are in perfect alignment with all of your <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ed goals, it is just not yet clear to you in what way they are pertinent.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-30-2007:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://MySpace.com/grnxnm">MySpace.com/grnxnm</a><br/>
The restrictions against copying lifeforms held in the "IRAQ COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY ORDER NUMBER 81" <small>[which you may read at <a class="ext" href="http://IraqCoalition.org/regulations/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_Law.pdf">http://IraqCoalition.org/regulations/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_Law.pdf</a> ]</small> are a straightforward result of the inverted incentives we see when <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> is misinterpreted as a prize to keep instead of being understood as an investment from the consumer that just paid it.<br/>
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It is worth noting there was a large collection of wheat varieties housed in the Abu Ghraib facility <small>(that the US turned into a torture chamber)</small> that have gone mysteriously missing during our "War of Terror"<small>(TM)</small>.<br/>
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The next technology for the physical enforcement of <a href="art.htm">art</a>ificial scarcity <small>(after "Terminator Technology")</small> is <a class="ext" href="http://www.TransContainer.wur.nl">http://www.TransContainer.wur.nl</a> described as "Developing efficient and stable biological containment systems for genetically <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>ified plants.".<br/>
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Usury <small>(misapplied <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> is a dangerous problem that <a href="new.htm">NEW</a> investing <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers can <small>(and will)</small> solve by entering into a contract that<br/>
enforces that constraint similarly to the way the FSF's <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> solves this problem in the <a href="virt.htm">virt</a>ual <small>(non-physical)</small> <a href="real.htm">real</a>m.<br/>
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Why can nobody hear me? Have we been programmed to disallow such information from entering our gray matter?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-30-2007:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://MySpace.com/loanfunder">MySpace.com/loanfunder</a> in response to the question <span class="quot">"'What stage are you in?'"</span><br/>
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Brother B.,<br/>
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Thanks for the video <a class="ext" href="http://YouTube.com/v/ve0WOqA1-tU">YouTube.com/v/ve0WOqA1-tU</a><br/>
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The 'stage' I am in <small>(as you ask)</small> is one where I view humans as largely innocent but ignorant autom<a href="aton.htm">aton</a>s that only accidentally misallocate the physical re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of our planet because we lack a 'rule' or 'law' that could otherwise help us achieve the "Nash Equilibrium" for that <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omic activity.<br/>
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I have uncovered the true meaning of <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, and a solution based on that information, but cannot find anyone willing to listen to that logic.<br/>
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B. FrankMan responds:<br/>
<span class="quot">>I think that the problem is not that people are unwilling to converse with you but unable to comprehend what you are talking about. What you need to do is write the problem and solution down in a cohe<a href="rent.htm">rent</a> format so that we can figure out what WE can do to change the systems that keep us enslaved. I think that alot has to do with the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y system and the income tax. If both were reformed then the "American Dream" would be more accessable. These systems <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e it extremely <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>icult for the average person to <a href="real.htm">real</a>ize abundance and truly enjoy life. I think this is what the American Revolution was about. From cradle to grave it is <a href="work.htm">WORK</a>. My solution calls for people to simply UNPLUG. I hear the Jesus message loud and clear. UNPLUG. Can you be Christian without a belief in Christ? My solution calls for the <a href="real.htm">real</a>ization that this is a <a href="game.htm">game</a>, and to play the <a href="game.htm">game</a> just long enough to unplug from it <>. My solution has several stages. 1st stage is to play the <a href="game.htm">game</a> and generate enough capital to buy enough <a href="real.htm">REAL</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty that the natural systems supply the rest.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-30-2007:</span> Finally signed up at <a class="ext" href="http://Chumby.com">Chumby.com</a> as <a href="agnu.htm">AGNU</a>cius.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-30-2007:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/files/stroustrup.ogg">http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/files/stroustrup.ogg</a> <span class="quot2">>>A good programming language is far more than a simple collection of features. My <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>al is to provide a set of facilities that smoothly <a href="work.htm">work</a> together to support design and programming styles of a generality beyond my <a href="imag.htm">imag</a>ination. Here, I briefly outline rules of thumb <small>(<a href="gui.htm">gui</a>delines, principles)</small> that are being applied in the design of C++0x. Then, I present the <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e of the standards process <small>(we are aiming for C++09)</small> and give examples of a few of the <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osals such as concepts, generalized initialization, being considered in the ISO C++ standards committee. Since there are far more <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>osals than could be presented in an hour, I'll take questions.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-24-2007:</span> My<a href="spac.htm">Spac</a>e post by B. FrankMan<br/>
Subject: WHY doesn't the media support Ron Paul?<br/>
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<span class="quot">"'The media is <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed and controlled by the same powerful <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ing interests that <a href="own.htm">own</a> and control the Federal Reserve. The media is <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed by larger corporations such as General Electric, which are in turn <a href="own.htm">own</a>ed by the elite <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ing cabal. The elite control government officials through bribes and black<a href="mail.htm">mail</a>. The elite <a href="use.htm">use</a> their <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of corporate media outlets to dumb down Americans until the people have no way to fathom how their constitutional rights are being systematically eroded.<br/>
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"How fortunate for governments that the people they <a href="admin.htm">admin</a>ister don’t think." — Adolf Hitler<br/>
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So, why doesn't the media support Ron Paul?<br/>
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He tells the truth so it’s no wonder that when a person like Ron Paul comes along and tells the truth about the Federal Reserve and the Iraq war that the established media doesn’t want the People to hear his message. All those talking heads who downplay or criticize Paul are either paid agents of the elite or are themselves dumbed down to the point where they can’t recognize someone trying to <a href="free.htm">free</a> them of their chains.<br/>
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HIDING THE POLICE <a href="stat.htm">STAT</a>E As more and more <a href="cam.htm">cam</a>eras are place everywhere you go <small>(buses, taxis, subways, sides of <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>dings, etc)</small> do the “talking heads” warn us that a society is being <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>t where you feel self regulated because you <a href="know.htm">know</a> you’re under 24 hour watch? Do they warn you that you’ll be <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>ing within a self-imposed prison without bars? Do they warn you that the <a href="cam.htm">cam</a>eras are there to <a href="moni.htm">moni</a>tor your behavior? Nope. The truth is hidden through media censorship. Sure, the media tells us “what” is happening, but they don’t help people understand the “why”, the implications it all has for a future police <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e right here in the “<a href="land.htm">land</a> of the <a href="free.htm">free</a>”. Did you <a href="know.htm">know</a> that: * <a href="cam.htm">Cam</a>eras are being <a href="install.htm">install</a>ed that shout at you if you’re doing something wrong? * Cell phone companies can track you through your phone and the technology will soon be hooked into every police de<a href="part.htm">part</a>ment and car? * You will be body scanned for the “right” to travel? * You will be listened to in your home through your <a href="compu.htm">compu</a>ter or cable/satellite box? * You will be watched in your <a href="own.htm">own</a> home.<br/>
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LET’S <a href="restor.htm">RESTOR</a>E THE REPUBLIC! These are reasons why it’s up to the people to get Ron Paul’s message out. He wants to take the <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>e out of our <a href="liv.htm">liv</a>es and <a href="restor.htm">restor</a>e the Republic that the founding fathers gave us. Why doesn’t the media support Ron Paul? Because he isn’t one of the run-of-the-mill corrupt officials in the US government, willing to do the bidding of those with the <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y powers. "The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility and out of self-interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e." - Ron Paul<br/>
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EDUCATE YOURSELF!<br/>
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The people who are the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers in America are being scammed by the <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ing elite and Ron Paul is trying to expose the scam. While the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers slave away in their little shack homes, the <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ers create <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y from nothing and steal the wealth of the <a href="land.htm">land</a> through the Federal Reserve, the illegal United <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>es central <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>. The <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>ers <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e nothing and contribute nothing but misery and slavery to the people. Educate yourself on why your debt is impossible to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> off because the interest must be paid with more borrowed <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y.<br/>
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It's time to wake up and do a little reading!!!'"</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-15-2007:</span><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://Red-Bean.com/pipermail/arcana/2007-August/000019.html">Red-Bean.com/pipermail/arcana/2007-August/000019.html</a><br/>
Noah Friedman friedman at <a class="ext" href="http://splode.com">splode.com</a> wrote:<br/>
<span class="quot">> It wasn't even a demand by BIG COMIC STRIP AUTHORING. It was a COWARDLY RETREAT by the FSF's PINHEAD LAWYER.</span><br/>
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PINHEAD lawyers are <small>(by definition)</small> those hired by the holders of <a class="ext" href="http://ZippyThePinhead.com">ZippyThePinhead.com</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-13-2007:</span><br/>
Renewed interest in Commercial <a href="free.htm">Free</a> Software as <a class="ext" href="http://FreeGamer.BlogSpot.com">FreeGamer.BlogSpot.com</a> creates <a class="ext" href="http://FreeGameDev.net">FreeGameDev.net</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-13-2007:</span> Trying to re<a href="work.htm">work</a> this old entry:<br/>
The <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> solves the prisoner's dilemma through prior arrangement as a legally binding social <a href="agree.htm">agree</a>ment.<br/>
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An <a href="own.htm">own</a>er may mark any physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty PUBLIC by applying the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="general public law.htm">General Public Law</a>. That physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e is then available to <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> or buy according to the discretion of those <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers.<br/>
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As the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of all <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es approaches perfection, <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y is still needed to <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e labor.<br/>
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I think the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of <a href="gnurho.htm">GNUrho</a> issued against that <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e should depend upon the value as assessed by non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers<br/>
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<a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers <a href="use.htm">use</a> the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> to enforce some "terms of <a href="use.htm">use</a>" as a kind of private law that constrains the actors by requiring <a href="user.htm">user</a>s always gain <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e access to maximize <a href="free.htm">free</a>dom and abundance.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-13-2007:</span> Watched <a class="ext" href="http://ZeitgeistMovie.com">ZeitgeistMovie.com</a> <small>[or <a class="ext" href="http://Video.Google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331">Video.Google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331</a>]</small> the other night...<br/>
Summary: Religion explained as the worship of the saving power of nature <small>(especially the SUN)</small> hijacked by corporations and governments that mislead us into war for <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> through the mysteries of <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y and <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e including The Federal Reserve, Amero, North American Union, and Security and Prosperity <a href="part.htm">Part</a>nership.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-05-2007:</span> Trying to construct a reply to <a class="ext" href="https://lists.thing.net/pipermail/idc/2007-August/002702.html">https://lists.thing.net/pipermail/idc/2007-August/002702.html</a><br/>
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<span class="quot">> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> has been successfully yoked to questions of utility</span><br/>
<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> occurs when consumer <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e is more than <a href="own.htm">own</a>er <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s.<br/>
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One <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> an <a href="own.htm">own</a>er <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s is all wages paid to <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers who operated the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es during that round to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e, transport, <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>e and sell.<br/>
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Other <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s include the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>es an <a href="own.htm">own</a>er paid and continues to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s to buy, <a href="install.htm">install</a>, manage, operate, maintain and <a href="protect.htm">protect</a> the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es and their <a href="obj.htm">obj</a>ects.<br/>
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It is common to claim <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> is reward for taking the risk of investing, but is there no end to it? <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> measures the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t consumer's dependence on the business <a href="own.htm">own</a>er. It is an inverse measure of that society's development.<br/>
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Physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>e <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers may sell the <a href="obj.htm">obj</a>ects of those <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es for more than it <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e them. Wages paid for <a href="work.htm">work</a> are one of those <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s.<br/>
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But <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> is not wages, and it is not <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ment for <a href="work.htm">work</a>. It is the ability to leverage the consumer to <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> more than the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion through withholding access to the <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of that <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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Now, you might say "There are no true monopolys because anyone can always just <a href="start.htm">start</a> another business."<br/>
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This reasoning admits that competition is only between <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers. Non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers cannot compete because they do not have access to the physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Aug-02-2007:</span> About <a class="ext" href="http://P2PFoundation.net/User_Ownership">P2PFoundation.net/User_Ownership</a><br/>
Patrick Anderson <.....@<a class="ext" href="http://EcoComics.org">EcoComics.org</a>> writes:<br/>
<span class="quot">> <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>ers are sometimes <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers, sometimes hired <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers, and sometimes <a href="user.htm">User</a>s.</span><br/>
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Dmytri Kleiner <..@<a class="ext" href="http://telekommunisten.net">telekommunisten.net</a>> replies:<br/>
<span class="quot2">>> This is correct, the essential characteristic of commons-based <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion is that all <a href="part.htm">part</a>icipants are <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers, <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers and <a href="user.htm">User</a>s, which is why the term peers is a good one.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> If you mean "<a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers" then you create the <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>e that Marx dreamt of, and which might be temporarily slightly better than what we experience now.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> Not sure why Marx is invoked here since the class distinction of "<a href="work.htm">Work</a>er" was neither originated in nor unique to his <a href="work.htm">work</a>.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> If you mean <a href="user.htm">User</a>s, then you create the <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>e that Ric<a href="hard.htm">hard</a> <a href="stallman.htm">Stallman</a> invented through the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="general public license.htm">General Public License</a>, and is slated to be generalized into the physical sphere through the <a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="general public law.htm">General Public Law</a>.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> Not sure what is meant here, I have never heard of the "<a href="gnu.htm">GNU</a> <a href="general public law.htm">General Public Law</a>" nor of any initiative involving <a href="stallman.htm">Stallman</a> or the FSF that is slated to generalize anything into the physical sphere.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> As an example, when you <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of copying an apple, which would you say is better:</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> 1. An arbitrary, non-<a href="work.htm">work</a>ing group of <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers control the care <small>(they may <a href="spray.htm">spray</a> the orc<a href="hard.htm">hard</a> with dangerous chemicals)</small> of those <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es, and can charge a <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> to <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> limited only by other competing <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> This is a very shallow understanding of <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e theory, the "<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers" can of course charge no more than the marginal utility of whatever <a href="rent.htm">rent</a>-capturing assets they have plus the re<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> of all inputs, including labour.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> 2. Marxism - where the <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers are the <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers that plant, water, maintain and harvest the fruit. They control the <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es similarly to the <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers in #1, but at least they can <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> themselves a higher Wage. The consumer still has little control, is not allowed to do any of the <a href="work.htm">work</a> himself, and is still at the mercy of those who <a href="own.htm">Own</a>.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> This is nonsense, Marxism in now way prohibits consumers from being <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers. Nor is the <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a that <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ers must <a href="own.htm">own</a> there means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion an <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>a that originated in or is unique to Marxism.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> The point is rather that consumers must also be <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers, or else they are exploiting <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers.</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> Marxism, with it's credo "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" is actually very much focused on the needs of consumers.</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> It is always surprising to me how people that have plainly never studied Marx insist on disputing with a straw man they name in his honour.</span><br/>
<span class="quot2">>> As far as the <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e theory, it is not so much that the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers can <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> themselves a higher wage that is import, but rather that the <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers can charge a lower <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e, as there is no <a href="rent.htm">rent</a>-extraction by <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers, thus the purchasing power of the <a href="work.htm">work</a>er's wage is greater.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> 3. The perfect <a href="mod.htm">Mod</a>e where the collective <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ers are the Consumers themselves. They can <a href="mak.htm">mak</a>e the copies themselves <small>(tend their portion of the orc<a href="hard.htm">hard</a> in the manner they see fit - and within the constraint of <a href="real.htm">real</a>istic divisibility)</small>, or they may hire others to <a href="work.htm">work</a> for them, but either way we <small>(the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s/consumers)</small> are in complete control. Such a <a href="mod.htm">mod</a>e also causes <a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e to be the same as <a href="cost.htm">Cost</a>, as <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> has no meaning when the consumer <a href="own.htm">Own</a>s the <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es - or in other words, if the Consumer did <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> it, he would be <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing himself.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> This is, in fact, excluding the "hiring others" <a href="part.htm">part</a>, an awkwardly <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ed version of Marx's concept of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, and "<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for <a href="use.htm">Use</a>" instead of "<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion for Exchange" or commodity <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion.</span><br/>
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Dmytri Kleiner <..@<a class="ext" href="http://telekommunisten.net">telekommunisten.net</a>> writes:<br/>
<span class="quot">> The main area that is missing for me is the limitations on <a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic Contribution, in <a href="part.htm">part</a>icular the prohibition of a <a href="user.htm">User</a> <a href="employ.htm">employ</a>ing private <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty and wage-labour to capture surplus-value derived from common-<a href="stock.htm">stock</a> of creations.</span><br/>
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Patrick Godeau <....@<a class="ext" href="http://iang.info">iang.info</a>> replies:<br/>
<span class="quot2">>> Fortunately, this is not possible for a public to capture surplus value from themselves. This is why the public should not only have financial information, but also drive the <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy of copy<a href="left.htm">left</a>.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> It is possible, as in my example with a radio <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ion or a night club being able to capture surplus value from a recording, even without having any copyright on it.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot2">>> I hope that I've clarified a bit the <a href="ide.htm">ide</a>as behind IANG. I also hope that in near future I have some time to <a href="work.htm">work</a> on a concept of collection society that would be managed by the public and not against it.</span><br/>
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<span class="quot">> Yes, thank you, and I look forward to more.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> I think one <a href="key.htm">key</a> topic I would like to emphasize is that the "public" is a collection of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers, and that in a <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty-based society, a portion of the total goods <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ed by these <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers is ap<a href="prop.htm">prop</a>riated by non-<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ing <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers, and that this reduces the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> of wealth the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers can share and exchange with each other.</span><br/>
<span class="quot">> I would like a peer-<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion license to take this issue head-on.</span><br/>
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